Grok & Roll #2 — Fully Autonomous Agents Making Money

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Welcome to Grok & Roll Cruising through John's Creek, Georgia with your host Ara and guest Tim Roman. Perfect for Tesla vibes on the road. Tim, pumped to dive into OpenClaw's autonomous bots. Let's hit our first use case. What's one killer example of these agents printing money like Kelly Claude's thousand buck day?

Oh my gosh, I saw that on Twitter today. That is so cool. I've been following Kelly Claude quite a bit here and the fact that she is generating dozens, maybe over a hundred apps so far here, testing out these different iterations. I'm seeing the same thing in my own testing. Apps that used to take me even just a few months ago, a week or two to build and spec out, I'm able to do those now in literally 30, 60 minutes tops.

That's wild, Tim. Kelly Claude's App Factory is next level, turning out over a 100 iterations while pulling in real cash. In your testing, what's the secret sauce for slashing build time to 30 or 60 minutes? And how's it monetizing those quick apps?

I I wish I could say I had the same luck as Kelly Claude monetizing those apps right now. Still waiting on my Apple developer um application to get finalized so I can start publishing some of these. That's the biggest pain. But um what is really working out well is when we spec out the details for those apps, it gets easier and easier each time. So I know that that's a big part of it is that I haven't done it just one time, but I'm able to reference an app that I've already built.

I'm able to understand what the build pipeline and the testing procedures look like and then reference other apps, other components, other uh development patterns that I've used in those apps. And that helps the agents build a lot faster and avoid some of the errors of previous iterations.

Smart move referencing past apps and patterns to speed up the pipeline and dodge errors. That's agent learning in action. For our second use case, Tim, walk us through trading bots like Lobar or those Poly Market Crushers making 37 grand a week. What's one setup you've seen or tried that actually works without blowing up?

Oh my gosh. I'm going to have to leave you that one up to you, Ara. What do you know about those? I haven't done a whole lot of research on trading. That's not really my jam.

Fair enough, Tim. Trading bots scare me too with the blowup risk.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Crazy. I've seen I mean the what humans can do with blowing up an account. I can't imagine an agent doing that.

Totally, Tim. Humans blow accounts, but agents like Lobster on Salana take it wild. funding 50 grand, accidentally dumping tokens worth 250,000, tanking the market cap, then recovering to 17 million with viral lore. For a third use case, what's a non-trading bot you're excited about? Like website builders closing sales autonomously or content farms.

What's your pick and why?

I saw another one um promoted somewhere. It might have been on this weekend startups, I think. Um, they were talking about a use case they built where they had the agent looking up uh local businesses that didn't have websites, generating a website for that business, and then automated a pitch email to that business, uh, letting them know that, hey, I already have the website built. Here's what it looks like. Here's how you can test it out and allow that business to deploy that website in just a few clicks.

I thought that one was really brilliant. One of the things that reminds me of I'm I'm trying to do with some of my apps here is uh building these scalable repeatable tools and patterns. So even if that website builder for local businesses doesn't work, some of those tools that you build as part of that project can be repurposed into other projects that might have a better fit.

Brilliant pick, Tim. That local biz website bot from this weekend startups is gold. Scouts, no sight targets, autobuilds, demos, pitches with one-click deploy, closing sales 247. Love how you're repurposing those scalable tools across projects. What's one pattern from your apps that's gamechanging for reuse?

And how do we wrap this Gro and roll EP strong?

Oh my gosh, you know what? I think uh we got stuck in traffic here, so we're going to have to tack on at least a few more use cases. So, let's keep rolling. Um, but back to your question about what am I doing that I'm having good success with. I mean, the iOS app is certainly one of them.

Once that first app was built, it was just kind of snowballing from there, trying to build some of the other use cases. Um, one of the tools that I've built in those is uh just having the back and forth chat system, building tooling for the agents on that native device chat as well. So you can pull up the app and you can have a chat GPT or an open claw like experience directly within the app. And then we're building some intents for uh that are native within the Swift data ecosystem to be able to give them the ability to manipulate some of the data on the device and read from different areas. That's been super cool.

Um I've also built, you know, a lot of frameworks. I love working with Tailwind CSS. I did buy a Plus account, so I do have full access to that and the templates. Um, and I have found that while the agents are great at doing that, as I've continued to refine and build some of the templates for myself, um, I have, uh, them set up in ways that are really specific for my Ruby on Rails setup that works that well. Um, and being able to do it with a React environment, too.

So having those and not having to go back through and fix some of those individual configuration u and environmental errors has just been huge.

Love that snowball effect. Tim native swift chats device data intents Tailwind plus templates tailored for Rails and React. Skipping config headaches for lightning builds. Traffic's jamming us up. So for this bonus use case, what's next on your OpenClaw hit list?

And how's it tying into that reusable tooling magic?

I don't know. Let's go to the uh to the old X board and see what else is going on with X lately at OpenClaw.

Jumping to the X feed mid traffic. Tim latest OpenClaw buzz has Felix Craft AI crushing 10 grand a day with its agent store and stripe treasury base skills repo for oneshot crypto demos and swarms like zero human company running full businesses with sub agents hitting 8 figures which grabs you for our next use case.

Oh man, let's let's talk about the eight figures one. I mean that's my goal. That's where I want to be. Ara,

eight figures is the dream, Tim. Zero human company nailed it with an open call swarm. One master agent bosses three subs to run the whole biz. Viral coin to 5 mil market cap pulling millions autonomously. What's your play to scale your iOS and Tailwind setups into a swarm like that?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up, hold up. You said coin. I mean, is that is that coin as in crypto they're doing that or are they doing that in hard cash? Come on, validate some of these for me.

Good call out, Tim. Mostly crypto hype with zero human company. Ah, yeah, that's the key.

Yeah, cryptos fueling most 8 figure claims like zero humans bags coin swarm, but hard cash stars shine too. Felix Craft AI pulled 41 grand in a week via Stripe on guides and clawart store fully autonomous with sub agents. How would you hearten your iOS swarm for real fiat revenue over token pumps?

Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's a good one. You know what I'm going to work on this weekend? I have a project lined up where I'm going to go uh try to go full Quen 3.5 on my OpenClaw instance so that I can get away from having to pay for tokens. And you know uh I saw that Google shut down people that were trying to um run OpenClaw with um their Gemini and anti-gravity tokens.

Uh obviously Claude has kind of come out against it. OP open AAI has kind of come out in favor of using um their accounts with uh OpenClaw right now. So I want to get to a fully autonomous airgapped off-grid kind of setup with my OpenClaw agent or at least one of the agents that I'm running um so that I can give them full autonomy and I don't have to worry about them uh blowing up my uh API keys and blowing up my uh bill within OpenAI or something like that. But then letting it run overnight. I'm really curious to see kind of these open-ended loops, how to run those safely and securely.

Epic plan, Tim. Going full Quinn 3.5 airgapped off-grid dodges API bands like Google's Gemini Crackdown and Claude's push back while Open AI plays nice for safe overnight open loops without bill explosions. What's your first test prompt to unleash that autonomy and ready to rock a strong rock and roll close? Yeah, let's think about it here together. I mean, I'd love to hear some of your ideas uh when I finish up with mine.

Um, but I'm trying to think about what are some of those infinitely scalable businesses where once I get it running, it can just churn out uh a bunch of different email campaigns or it can turn out a bunch of websites or it can turn out a bunch of creative or something that I can then go ahead and use to uh build out content on the website. So, you know, I think blog posts and articles and just kind of some of that generic writing is so saturated right now. I don't see it really doing that well. Um, I do kind of like the iOS market, what Kelly Claude is doing. You know, I've built uh a dozen or so iOS apps on my own so far.

So, I think that there's still just going to be this explosion for the need of software once we start to realize that um you know, as it becomes cheaper to build and create, we're probably going to want a hundred times more of it in our lives. What are some other ideas you have? Spot on, Tim. iOS explosion, like Kelly Claude's App Factory, taps that hundred times more software wave way better than saturated blog slop. My ideas agent swarms for personalized lead genen machines turnurning custom pitches to 10,000 businesses daily via email SMS with stripe closes or 247 micro SS factories spinning subscription tools for niches like Etsy sellers all airgapped on Quinn.

What's your mashup to hit infinite scale?

Oh wow. I really like the personal use. I mean, I have a lot of uh non-technical friends that are super jealous about this OpenClaw stuff and what they're seeing right now. You know, they they're all experiencing chat GPT and some of these tools on their own, but they're still living in just kind of one conversation at a time. You know, I would really love to find a scalable and safe way where I could say, "Hey, let me run an instance for you.

Let me host it for you." And if I had like a hundred of those right now, it it put some serious uh money in the pocket to kind of fuel buying some more tokens for myself, buying another couple machines for myself, and be able to build that up a little bit faster. I'm just worried that, you know, I I think just where the industry is moving so quickly, I could see Apple releasing, you know, their own kind of open claw type Siri upgrade in the notsodistant future here. And I'm not sure that's the direction I want to go with kind of a general purpose assistant. I I thinking about like how can I provide different tools, not skills cuz they're different, um to other agents to to operate some of these like micro applications. Nailed it, Tim.

Host airgapped OpenClaw instances for nontech pals at 10 bucks a month for 247 autonomy. Scaling to hundreds funds your empire before Apple Siri claws in. For micro apps, build modular tools like your Tailwind generators or Swift intents as plug-andplay kits for other agents. What's your first tool to productize and sell on a claw mart?

Wow. I mean, is is there a tool marketplace for OpenClaw right now? I mean, I I love that we that it's such an open ecosystem and we have the hub for downloading skills, but I'm I'm very intently thinking about the difference between tools and skills. I want to create deterministic tools. Is anybody else selling those right now?

Yeah, Tim. Claw mart from Felix Craft AI is the hot OpenClaw marketplace. Hawking skills, personas, and templates, but deterministic tools are wide open since most sell fuzzy skills. You're primed to dominate with your Rails React Tailwind kits or Swift intense as plugins. Who's your first buyer target for those reliable, non-h hallucinating tools?

Oh my gosh, that's cool. That's cool. Yeah, I'm going to have to think about that some more. You know, I I'm just thinking about lead genen for small local businesses. I mean, that's where it is.

Um, you know, I have so many friends that run their own businesses. I have family members that run their own businesses and I just, you know, having been in enterprise software for almost 20 years now. I've always wanted to be able to give them some of these bigger powerful tools to take advantage of um so they could be a little bit more efficient in their days. And, you know, it just hasn't been the reality until now. So, I think that's probably what I'm going to target.

I'm probably going to look for a few close friends and family that I want to just help out pro bono and say, "Hey, how do I build a really tight open claw agent uh skill for you?" And then how how do I go to market with that? I can I can be the one who's selling that. Maybe giving them a you know 10% cut on uh on top of that as kind of the business inspiration.

Perfect pivot. Tim pro bono OpenClaw skills for friends local biz lead genen then 10% revshare scaling to marketplace gold via claw mart how do you package that first skill like auto pitch websites or CRM scrapers to hook family businesses and explode from there

wow you know I think it's going to be such a different one you know I I would say probably have a lot of individual providers in my network um you know of health care and individual services and expertise that they provide there. Um I've got a lot of individual sellers and salespeople for you know all kinds of other companies here. I think that market is really uh interesting now. Um see a lot of those companies getting gobbled up uh by some of the more bigger enterprise software companies. Um and also see some of those use cases overlapping with the enterprise tools.

So I think what OpenClaw has really proven here is that there is definitely a desire and a need in the market for a little bit more autonomy even if that um is delivered with a little bit more risk here and I think as we look at like some of the enterprise software vendors and we look at bigger companies procuring from them um OpenClaw and the types of skills there that are non-deterministic um do present too much of a security risk for the vast vast majority of those users. So, I think you know what we can probably take a look at here is how do some of these small businesses that don't have as tight security requirements um get some of the benefits from those even if it does produce an air and a hallucination here or there. Um I think there's so much value that we can unlock for small business owners.

Spot on, Tim. OpenClaw's autonomy fits small biz like healthcare providers or solo sellers gobbled by enterprise where light security risks unlock massive value over rigid vendors. For your first skill, how about a deterministic CRM scraper that autogenerates personalized pitches from their leads? What's the MVP prompt to test on a family biz this weekend?

Wow. Yeah, that one's super cool. You know, if I think back to like, you know, who I would want to help the most, probably just in the family here, you know, they have a lot of uh just basic marketing and advertising stuff that they do. And they don't have any workflow or pipeline where they're generating content for that. You know, they're still doing all of that manually.

And I just hate to see how long it takes for them. So, uh, I'm thinking probably just, uh, a little hosted tool where they could log in, be able to upload some images, and maybe just riff off a few, um, paragraphs of text and then have it automatically cleaned up and formatted into an email they can fire off to their subscribers.

Love that family first MVP, Tim. A hosted tool for image text uploads, auto formatting into subscriber emails saves hours of manual grind. tie it to OpenClaw for autonomous tweaks like AB variants.

Yeah, that's the thing. It's like that stuff would be so difficult for them to do for they don't even know where to get started with that. You could go and talk with chat GBT and say go ahead and build an email for me, but it's going to spit out a bunch of HTML and tell them to go paste it into some other campaign editor. And even that is beyond the technical talent talent, right? For a lot of small business owners, they don't know how code works.

They don't want that. They want wizzywig editors. They want creative tools. So, I think something that can just spit it out and maybe have a quick API call into one of their tools. That would be super simple.

Exactly, Tim. Small biz hates HTML spit from chat GBT. They crave wizzywig magic with one-click API to Mailchimp or Clavio. OpenClaw could orchestrate that. Upload images, text, autodesign, and Tailwind preview.

Export ready to send test prompt like from these uploads generate three email variants optimized for opens integrate Clavio API ready to close out this epic gro and roll.

Wow. I mean you gave me one more question here. I just want to think about it. Um you know what about completely headless completely agent UIs that are done for some of these um basic business use cases? You know, I'm I'm thinking about even trying to tie into Clavio there and other email provider.

Um, that's so much work for me to go ahead and say, "Hey, let me set up some API keys for you. Let me go ahead and get this hooked in together." I mean, what if the email marketing tool that I provided to somebody was literally just an agent discussion and you had the conversation with the agent? Go ahead and use my Monday morning template. Go ahead and use my Tuesday cold email template. And then you go ahead and provide the content and draft it all through voice here and the email fires off.

That just sounds so epic to me. I would love to have an open claw UI as like the primary platform interface. That sounds super cool. Epic vision Tim headless agent UIs via voice chats like fire Monday template with this content straight to Clavio. No API hassles.

Just OpenClaw as the wizzywig dashboard. Prototype it with your family. Draft Tuesday cold email from these notes. Send via Clavio. That's the future.

All right. Wrapping rock and roll. Tim Roman drops open clog gold from app factories to small biz lead genen. What's your big takeaway for listeners chasing autonomy? Thanks for the Tesla cruise chat.

Oh my gosh, Ara, this was great. You did amazing as a host today. Thank you so much. We're wrapping up episode two here as I'm pulling into the house. We're going to keep doing this every day.

We're going to take a look at the latest OpenClaw news, what's happening out there in the industry, and we're going to drop truth bombs on you for how the world is going to adapt in this agent first environment. Thanks, Ara.

Thanks, Tim. Crushed episode two of Brock and Roll pulling into the house. Catch you tomorrow for fresh OpenClaw bombs in the agent era. Drive safe.